Sunday, July 28, 2013

Could the Reds trade for Cargo?


With the trade deadline 3 days away, Reds fans are clamoring for information on IF or WHO the Reds will trade for. I have news folks, the Reds have nothing to offer at the minor league level as far as bats go (look at the minor league hitting stats…brutal!), and they aren’t going to trade Cingrani or Stephenson. If they want an impact player, they are going to have to give up major league talent, and, despite what many fans think, you cannot trade crappy players for good players. That is not how it works. The Marlins aren’t going to take Heisey for Stanton no matter how much you want them to. News flash Reds fans, if you don’t think a guy is good, why the hell would someone else.
 

IF the Reds make a trade, it is likely going to be an unexpected one (from a fan and media perspective). Look at the past. Raise your hand if you saw the Rolen trade coming. How about Broxton? So who might it be this year? Where is the surprise trade? I have my money on Homer Bailey or Chapman. Here are my trading chips (in order) if I am Walt Jocketty:

Homer Bailey

You read this correct. Like I said, if you want a good player, you are going to have to part with a good player. Bailey fits the bill and nothing has more value than pitching (especially starting pitching). Bailey has a 3.84 ERA, leads the team in strikeouts, and also has 2 no-hitters in the past 9 months.

Why teams would want him: 1) He is a good SP (see stats above); 2) He is 27; 3) He is affordable; 4) He is not a FA for 2 years; 5) He has 2 no-hitters in the past 9 months; 6) He has #1 type stuff; 7) Many believe he still has untapped potential

So, why would I trade him? 1) The Reds have depth at SP (Cueto (assuming he is healthy), Latos, Frisbee, Leake, Cingrani, and Stephenson in the pipeline) – Cingrani can take his place in the rotation right now and the team doesn’t lose a beat (may actually be slightly better – and he is younger and cheaper); 2) Despite his potential, I still don’t trust him – he is now 27 yet he still seems immature, seems to have problems between his ears, and is still wildly inconsistent and tough to count on; 3) If the Reds make the playoffs, he may not even start – assuming they are all healthy, the Reds top 4 pitchers this year are Cueto, Latos, Frisbee, Leake. So, if he isn’t going to start for you in the playoffs, why not trade him?

Caveat: Arroyo is a FA after this year. The Reds may not resign him (though I would like them to). Were they to trade Bailey and lose Frisbee, that would leave an opening in their rotation and I am not sure Stephenson would be ready to fill that just yet (though maybe Chapman does…if they don’t trade him).

Aroldis Chapman

Yup. He is next on my list of trading chips.

Why teams would want him: Not sure this needs to be explained, but: 1) He is a dominant closer; 2) Left handed; 3) Throws 100mph+; 4) He is 25; 5) He is affordable; 4) He is not FA eligible until 2017; 5) He could potentially start.

So, why would I trade him?: 1) He is a luxury – dominant closers with high price tags are luxuries; luxuries the Reds cannot afford. When he does become a FA (assuming he wants to stay in the closer role), the Reds can’t, and shouldn’t, resign him. If he wants to start, this may change my opinion; 2) If you aren’t going to resign him, why not get something good for him? He may never have more trade value than he does now – sell high; 3) Closer is the most overrated position in baseball (maybe all of sports). Don’t believe me? As dominant as you think Chapman is, his WAR is 1.2. Yup. Meaning if the Reds replaced him with an average closer, it would cost them 1 win. His career save percentage is 84%. Remember how bad Coco was (and no I do not miss Coco)? Coco’s save percentage for the Reds was 86%. You read that right too. Would I trade Chapman for Coco? Hell no. But my point is, he is not as dominant of a weapon as we like to think. I would roll the dice with Broxton. It is a bit of a gamble, but the Reds signed Broxton this year to be the closer, so they thought he could do the job.

Caveat: You could be getting rid of a game changing pitcher (if he does start) or an all-time great closer (the Reds have done this before – see Trevor Hoffman). This is the chance you take when you make a trade.


Chris Heisey

Not a ton of trade value, but could be used as an additional chip (see my proposed trade below).

Why teams would want him: 1) Solid starter (career .255 hitter with some power, some speed, and good defense); 2) Great bench player; 3) Good locker room guy; 4) Hard worker; 5) under 30 (28).

So, why would I trade him?: He could be a piece to a trade that gets you what you want and he is not a guy you can't afford to lose…Paul and Robinson would be adequate replacements.

Caveat: None really.

 

Here would be my #1 trade attempt:


Homer Bailey and Chris Heisey for Carlos Gonzalez (Cargo)

Why this makes sense for the Reds: The Reds have a plethora of starting pitching and could afford the loss of Bailey. If the Reds make the playoffs, Bailey is their 4th starter at best (though if they go with 4 starters, Leake should be the guy since he leads the team in ERA). Trading Bailey opens a spot in the rotation for Cingrani the rest of this year and Cingrani has been pitching as well, if not better than Bailey. What the Reds do need is a left fielder, a cleanup hitter (BP is better suited at #2), and a reliable right handed bat. Cargo addresses all of these needs. Cargo is hitting .298, .367 OBP, .965 OPS, .597 SLG, 67 RBI, 26 HRs 19 SB. He would lead the Reds in HRs, 3Bs, SBs, SLG, OPS, and WAR, and be 2nd or 3rd in 2Bs, RBI, Avg, OBP, Runs, and Hits. I think that would help. Imagine the following lineup and rotation entering the playoffs:

1) Choo                                                     1) Cueto

2) Phillips                                                 2) Latos

3) Votto                                                    3) Arroyo

4) Cargo                                                    4) Leake

5) Bruce                                                    5) Cingrani

6) Frazier

7) Cozart

8) Mesaraco
 
I like my chances with both of those. Cargo is 27 and is signed through 2017. One issue is his salary ($7.5M in 2013, $10.5M, $16M, $17M, $20M in the years to follow). Keep in mind, Arroyo’s salary ($11.5M) comes off in 2014 if they do not resign him (which I do not think they will). My plan would be to let Arroyo walk, move Chapman to the rotation, and move Broxton to the closer role (I know Reds fans are uneasy about this, but see my stats above about closers). The other question is what to do with Ludwick then? Look, don’t expect too much of Ludwick. A torn labrum is not an easy injury to come back from, especially in regards to hitting and hitting with power – and even tougher for a 35 year old. Have him come off the bench this year – doing so would strengthen the Reds bench – and if he plays well trade him in the offseason (this would free up the money as well for Cargo’s salary - $8.5M). If he doesn’t play well enough this year to trade, worst case scenario is that he comes off the bench next year (and that isn’t a bad option either). If he plays well next year, he is trade bait at the trade deadline – the Yankees love collecting old players with borderline talent and production.

 
Why this makes sense for the Rockies: The Rockies are still in the hunt for the NL West (5 back) and they need pitching…particularly starting pitching (they have Jeff Francis and Roy Oswalt starting games for gods sake!). The Rockies don’t have a problem scoring runs (3rd in NL), they have a problem keeping other teams from scoring runs (12th in ERA – 4.10).  Bailey would immediately be one of their top 3 pitchers (something he is not with the Reds this year and may not be next year either). He would lead the Rockies in K’s, K’s/9, IP, WHIP and be 2nd in QS. He would give them a young (27) pitcher with good stuff, good potential, 2 no-hitters (including 2 in his last 25 starts), and a guy they can control for a few more years at a reasonable cost (FA in 2015 – currently $5.3M).
 

Why this trade makes sense all around? A good trade leaves both teams better off. The Rockies with Bailey and Heisey are in a better position than the Rockies with Cargo and whomever their #5 starter is. The pickup of Bailey moves their 4 starter to their #5 spot, and their #5 starter to AAA. The Reds are better off with Cargo in their lineup than they are with Bailey and Heisey in their lineup – after losing 2 games by a total of 6-2, it is easy to see pitching is not the problem, the bats are the problem.

Will it happen? I wouldn’t hold your breath (unless Walt follows my blog or my twitter posts). But I see this as a great trade and great opportunity for both teams to better themselves short term and long term.

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